Friday, June 25, 2010

Thistle Trivia & History- How well do you know your Thistle history? Many of the answers are on Thistles from Boot Harbour on Facebook.

1. What do the names Speedwell, Mary, Elizabeth, Little Belt, Minnie Ha Ha, Redwing & Jessie F. have in common?
2.  What to the names Dwyers Pond, Northeast Pond, Tilt Hill Pond, 32 Shed, Cross Country Pond, & Georges Hill have in common?
3. What do the numbers 17,26,27,32,33, & 25 have in common?
4. What is the connection between the Rusk Institute of Medicine in New York City & the Thistle family?
5. What Thistle turned down an appointment to the Canadian Senate?
6. What do the names Bamafash, Bamareng, Jeannie Barno, Bamasteer, Cobbs Arm & Strathcona have in common?
7. What to the initials D.R. , E.F. & F.H. mean?
8. What do Capt. David, Walter Leslie, Ralph, & Clemmet Wellington Thistle have in common?
9. What Thistle won the Govener Generals Medal in University for highest marks in the graduating class?
10. Where did the name Jimmer come from? Dont know this one myself. LOL
11 Who was called the Jimmer & the Little Jimmer?
12. Where is Otterbury & who lived there?


........ ~ Thistle of Harbour Grace~.........

The Thistle's of Harbour Grace were once one of the most prominent famlies in

Conception Bay. After the death of Thomas Thistle Jr. in 1812 and his mother

Amy Thistle sometime around 1817 the Surname Thistle seems to fade away.

With the death of the matriarch and her son Thomas Pynn Thistle, ended one

of the oldest family names in a long line of Thistles from this Harbour.



This proud family was once one of the largest land holders of Harbour Grace

and they lived in the very center of the Harbour . They were also one of the

largest Merchants in the area till the end of the 18th century. The Thistles

and some of the other early settlers the Parsons, Webers, Strittons, Pikes

and Moores who's property also abutted the Thistles of Harbour Grace are

responsible for much of the early growth of the village. Their roots go back

to the mid to late 1600's and the family may have descended from the four

Thistle brothers that arrived in harbour from the Channel Island of Guernsey .

In 1765 Amy Thistle claims her ancestors had owned property here for 102 years.

That would have meant her family had lived here in 1663. The families that lived

on the waterfront next to the Thistles, the Pynn's and Joureaux families, were

two other very old well established families in the settlement.



It was not easy for these first pioneering families to establish their roots in

Newfoundland. More then once Habour Grace was attacked by the French.

In 1705 Harbour Grace was burnt to the ground and 22 homes were destroyed,

the people of the settlement fled to Belle Island. Honery Thistle (Henry) shows

up in the 1706 census on Belle Island with his family of 1 wife, 5 children, 4 servants

and 1 boat.



Could Henry Thistle have been part of the Thistle family of Harbour Grace?

Was he one of settlers that fled to Belle Island and decided to stay because

it was safer there to settle his family? Henry Thistle had contracted for

land in 1705 the same year that the French attacked Harbour Grace.

Henry may have lived in Harbour Garce in 1697 when the settlement had

a population of 14 dewllings 11 planters 9 wives 15 sons 20 daughters

107 fishery servants and 25 Boats. Did Henry Thistle die on Belle Island ?

Who knows, but his children may have been the seeds of some the early

Thistle families of Carbonear or Mulley's Cove.



In 1750 Amy Thistles Father in-law bequeathed her a large wooded area behind

her plantation as well as 6 stores, 6 houses, 2 stages, 4 wharfs, 3 gardens and

1 meadow.This along with other lands were leased to tenents. It would have

taken some time for Amy's father in-law to amass this kind of position .

That would lead me to believe in 1677 Thomas Thistles family lived

In Harbour Grace when the community had 7 dwellings 10 planters 2 wives

5 daughters 35 fishery servants and 11 boats and 9 gardens.



The Thistle families were deeply involved wth the business , political and

religious aspects of Harbour Grace. Mr. Thistle shows up in church records

as the Warden of the Anglican Church of Harbour Grace and Carbonear in the

year 1795. Part of Amy Thistle's land abutted the chapel and school for

150 yards. In 1799 the earliest Catholic Cemetery on Bennett's lane in

Harbour Grace was donated by The Thistles which were known as a very old

family from the Jersey Islands. William Thistle owned a plantation that was

next to the Catholic Church of Harbour Grace, his land bounded the Church

on the east for 90 yards.(Newfoundlanders used the term Jersey men for all

settlers that arrived from the Channel Islands including Guernsey and the other

two smaller Islands Alderney and Sark.)



In 1811 Amy Thistle transfered 23 acres of land to Dr. Sterling who later sold the

land to Rev.Charles Dalton in 1839. Mr. Dalton later willed the land to the Nuns in

Harbour Grace for their Convent in 1858.



With the deaths of Thomas and Amy Thistle and their son , the families

remaining four daughters married into some of the most prominent families

of St Johns. This was the begining of the end for this historic old family

of Harbour Grace. The surname Thistle slowly disappears from the

church records and outside of William Thistle of Outterbury. Only three

Thistles show up in the 1871 directory on the South side of Harbour Grace,

the name Thistle fades away .



Gary Thistle.............

Thistle Family 140 years in business

It is believed that the legendary October gale of 1867 ,which devastated much of the North East Coast & Labrador wrecking 42 ships & taking 40 lives, caused the Thistle family to move to Green Bay. Frederick Thistle was returning to Harbour Grace from the Seal Islands in Labrador with his crew & their families when the gale struck. They sought shelter in Halls Bay & discovered what is now known as Boot Harbour. Frederick, grandson of Captain Willam Thistle who with Thomas Oates owned the vessel Little Belt, descended from a long line of Thistle planters (schooner owners, floaters) who owned land in the centre of Harbour Grace dating back to mid 1600's. Their summer fishing station was the Seal Islands, a now deserted community just north of Battle Harbour. Frederick & wife Elizabeth were married there, in 1862, & some of their children were born there. Upon discovering Boot Harbour, with its large White Pine trees & good soil for pasture & growing crops, Frederick purchased land & decided to move his family there. He started a steam powered saw mill at the mouth of the stream. His main product was White Pine shingles which were sold mainly in the booming fishing & copper mining towns of the surrounding area. He used his schooner to deliver his products & built a thriving business in Boot Harbour. This was the start of the Thistles attachment to the lumber business which has lasted for six generations. Frederick died in 1907 & is buried beside his wife Elizabeth in Boot Harbour. Upon his death he willed the business to his youngest son Simon who later moved to Corner Brook.




Frederick Thistle 11 the third of Frederick & Elizabeths 8 children was born in the Seal Islands in 1866, grew up in Boot Harbour & married Lavina Pike in 1887 in Boot Harbour. Lavina was a descendent of the legendary Gilbert Pike & Princess Sheila Na Geira of Bristol's Hope.They moved to Southern Arm, Green Bay, & there Frederick started a sawmill at the mouth of the brook. This mill was later owned by the Yeats family. Lavina died in 1902 & Frederick, devastated by her death, decided to move with his 7 children to an area where he could be closer to better medical care & more services. In the summer of 1902 he floated his house on fish barrels across Green Bay & up North West Arm to Kings Point. There he remarried Fanny Strong & started a sawmill similar to Boot Harbour & Southern Arm. From the sawmill business he built a general retail store, carpenter shop, shingle mill, blacksmith shop, cooperage & boat yard building up to 60 ft schooners. From the early 1900's to the mid 1930's he built a thriving business & was the largest employer in the Kings Point area. The sawmill also manufactured fish barrels used to ship herring to the US. He as well shipped pulpwood to Newcastle England, & pit props to the coal mines in Wales. As he grew older the business came under management of his sons Frederick 111 & Ralph. Frederick semi retired to work in the general store. He died in 1937 & is buried in Kings Point with his second wife Fanny.



Other descendants of Frederick & Elizabeth Thistle who gained prominence in business were David Rudolf Thistle ( 1891-1969) their grandson who founded Trade Printers & Publishers & went on to become the King/Queens Printer & publisher of the Newfoundland Gazette. He was President of the St. Johns Board of Trade & was awarded the M. B. E. Also Eban Frederick Barnes (1894-1972) was the son of Edward Barnes & Clara Belle Thistle a daughter of Frederick & Elizabeth. He founded E. F. Barnes Ltd. where he designed & built the Barnes motor boat engine. He also operated a ship yard designing & building steel hulled ships on the St. Johns waterfront. E. F. Barnes is still operating on the waterfront today. Both these businessmen were born in Boot Harbour.



The depression of the 1930's devastated much of Newfoundland & the Thistles did not escape the crises. Business in Kings Point began to decline. In 1935 the business obtained a contract to cut & export, to Britain, wood from the Reid Company Lots in Burlington. Ralph moved to Burlington in 1935, Frederick 11 & son Frederick 111 followed in 1937. When Frederick 11 died Frederick 111 became senior manager of the business. During World War 11 the export wood business ended & the family business reverted to a sawmill operation & general store. In 1946 Ralph moved to Baie Verte & started his own sawmill business. They eventually began cutting pulpwood for Bowaters in Corner Brook. By now Frederick 111 son Sidney was moving into the business & the business began to grow. In 1955 Thistle & Sons was incorporated, with Sidney as senior manager. Brother Walter Roy (1919- 1998) joined the business as manager in Burlington & Sidney moved to Baie Verte. Frederick 111 retired in St. Johns. They purchased Bowaters store in Baie Verte & in addition to the sawmill & general store in Burlington, operated 14 pulpwood camps for Bowaters. They became a major economic force on the Baie Verte Peninsula employing hundreds of people. Once again business for the Thistles was booming.



In the early 1960's Baie Verte began to change. Advocate & Rambler Mines opened & Bowaters closed their woods office. The Thistles changed too & phased out their woods operations & began to focus on opportunities around the mines. They built a new modern department store, rebuilt twice because of fires with a supermarket, dry goods, furniture, restaurant, hardware & building supplies & also housed the Bank of Nova Scotia. Sidney saw other opportunities & started a construction company, trucking company, tuna boat business, & constructed apartment buildings. He brought cable television to Baie Verte & had the first cable television license in Nfld. In 1967 Roy left Thistle & Sons & started his own business, White Bay Stores Ltd. the present day White Bay Home Hardware. In 1974 the whole community was shocked when Sidney (age 50), at the peak of his career. died suddenly of heart failure. Much of the responsibility for his business then fell to his wife Gertie. She continued to operate the business for a number of years but eventually sold off all the operations. The present day Co-op & Home Furniture are the principle locations she owned.



With the start of White Bay Stores in 1967 a new era of Thistle business began. Starting with a 800 sq. ft hardware store the business has continually expanded to the present day 30,000 sq. ft of merchandise & warehouse space consisting of a Home Hardware Building Centre & Home Furniture in two locations. Roys son Kevin joined the business full time in 1977 & acquired ownership in 1984 with the semi retirement of his father. In 2004 Kevin semi retired & son Paul has now become General Manager. The company is currently constructing its newest project. Riverside Properties a seniors housing complex in Baie Verte.

From:


To:

Subject: Re: CB Thistles

Date: Thursday, July 22, 2010 12:22 PM



Hi Kevin , No Thomas and Ay Thistle were Anglican. Their son was the warden

of the Anglican Church and Carbonear Methodist church at one time they

were united. Thomas Thistle was a constable of Carbonear in 1732. take away 21

years or more can give you a approximate date of his Birth 1705 or older

more likely older.



Destroy any files I gave you of Thomas Thistle of Harbour Grace this one

has been up dated use this ..Gary



Early Thistle Families of Newfoundland

By Gary Thistle.



I put this together to help other's with some of the early births and

baptisms. Though I

believe these families fairly represent which children are tied to some of

the earlier

settlers. There may be error with this and I caution those who use this.

You should verify

the information bellow as you would any source.



It is said that the Thistle surname migrated to Newfoundland from the

along with many Channel Islanders of Jersey and Guernsey about 17th Century.

One of four Thistle brothers from Guernsey settled in Harbour Grace and

another to Boot Harbour.



In the 18th century another migratory movement of the surname Thistle also

arrive here from Ireland and England.



THOMAS THISTLE Merchant Planter of Harbour Grace and

Catherine ?







This family, was well established in Harbour Grace possibly from the

early to Mid

1600's. most likely originated from the Channel Islands. Their descendants

married into

many notable and prominent family's from St. John's to Harbour Grace.

Thomas Thistle

father had substantial holding in Harbour Grace which he bequeathed to his

daughter

in-law Amy Thistle in his will of 1750. She claimed her family had been

there for 102

year that would at least put her descendants the Pynn's in Harbour Grace

around 1663.



In 1697 Harbour Grace records show there were 14 house's and 11 planters.

Thomas Thistle plantation consisted of 2 Stages 4 Wharves 2 Flakes 6 Stores

6 Houses

3 Gardens 1 Meadow and was surrounded by his own woods. This was a

considerable

amount of land and it would taken a long time for Thomas Thistle to have

achieve this

kind of holding. He lived next to the Pynn's plantation and they were

located in the

very center of the harbour. There is a fresh water stream that runs through

the Thistle

property and it is called Thistle Brook. It was know to the people of

Harbour Grace as a

very important land mark used in reference to other properties in the town.

These

locations would have gone to the very first inhabitants of Harbour Grace.

Thomas and

Amy Thistle named one of their sons Thomas Pynn Thistle. This may be an

indication

as to Amy Thistle's maiden name.



There is a Catherine Thistle that was buried Harbour Grace Anglican Church

records,

her age was estimated at age 80. This would of made her born about 1702.

St Paul's

Anglican Church Burial Records. Catharine Thistle: 6 Dec. 1782 abt. 80

years old

Harbour Grace. This may be the mother of Thomas Thistle that married Amy

Pynn of

Harbour Grace. excerpt re Harbour Grace, Newfoundland History (1936) -

specifically

mentioning Jersey men. In the article there is mention of "two private

Jersey burial

grounds. Tombstones of the THISTLE family dating back to 1760 are still

able to be

seen in the Plot off Thompson's Lane" "Dr John Moore, a Jersey man, was

buried there.

He was a Doctor on a warship, and married into the THISTLE family and

settled at



Harbour

Grace."



Children of Thomas Thistle Merchant of Harbour Grace and Constable of

Harbour



Grace and Carbonear and Catherine ?.



1. Thomas Thistle b. about 1705

2. Ann Thistle. b. about 1720 d. 7 Dec. 1782 note may be a sister

to Thomas Thistle



Thomas Thistle son of Planter Thomas Thistle and

Catherine

married Amy Pynn of Harbour Grace.



Thomas Thistle died sometime after 1795 we know this because of a

letter dated 1795

that Mr. Thistle( Warden of the Church) at Harbour Grace and Carbonear

open the

Church for Mr. Smith of Poole England his wife Amy Pynn died in 1816 and

her death

was noted in a news paper and recorded by Terrence M. Punch, Nova Scotia

Vital

Statistics from Newspapers, 1813-1822, Genealogical Committee of the Nova

Scotia

Historical Society, Halifax. The province and county are associated with

the location of

the record source and in some cases may not be the same as the place where

the

event occurred. He Noted that Amy Thistle was from Newfoundland.



Known Children of: Thomas Thistle son of Thomas & Catherine and Amy Pynn

of Harbour Grace.



1. Mary Thistle b. abt. 1762

2. Jane Thistle. b. abt 1763

3. Rachel Thistle. b. abt. 1765

4. Catherine Thistle. bapt. 3 Aug.1766

5. Emma Thistle. b. abt. 1768 d. age 84 13 Oct. 1852

6. Thomas Pynn Thistle. bapt. 26 Aug. 1779 d. 9 Mar.1812



Thomas and Amy Thistle named one of their sons Thomas Pynn Thistle. This

may be an indication as to Amy Thistle's maiden name.



Ann Thistle b abt. 1720 daughter of Thomas Thistle Planter Merchant and

Catherine ?



Ann Thistle ( ( 1st. marriage) married Henry Pynn Planter of Harbour Grace.



Children of:



Robert Pynn.

Elizabeth Pynn.

Rebecca Pynn.

Jane Pynn.





Ann Thistle (Widow) 2nd. marriage......Married Michael Stretch of

Harbour Grace:



Details for reference PROB 3/51/15 from our Catalogue.

Pynn, Henry, Harbour Grace, in Newfoundland, in parts beyond the seas,

(ship's

chandler). Ann Stretch, formerly Pynn, wife of Michael Stretch, relict and

adtrix.

(Covering dates: 1752 May 13)



Children of Thomas and Amy Pynn.



Mary Thistle: married Arthur Grumly 1 Jan. 1782 daughter to Thomas and Amy

Thistle

Harbour Grace Anglican Church Records.



Catherine Thistle: married William Gaden( bapt. 3 Aug.1766 brother of

George Gaden.

The Gaden's were Merchants Son of William Gaden & Honora Troone

(This was Catherine's 2nd. Marriage. As mentioned in Will.) Catherine's

1st Marriage

possibly to Dr. Jonathan Moores 27 Dec.1787 Harbour Grace St Paul's

Anglican Church

The record was (insert between the pages). Of the Parish Register.



Emma Thistle: married George Gaden Merchant of St Johns 5 July 1789

Cathedral of

St Johns The Baptist Anglican. Wit: Peter W. Thistle, William Gaden.



Children of:

Emma Gaden abt 1795

George Thistle Gaden abt 1798

William Hark Gaden:bapt. 30 Sep.1799

Thomas Eppes Gaden:b. 9 Mar.1803 Bapt. 11 Aug. 1813

Tryphena Gaden: b. 8 Jul.1805 bapt. Aug. 11 1813

Joseph Crawford Gaden. b. 6 Jul. 1807 bapt. 11 Aug. 1813

Sarah West Gaden

Cathedral of St Johns The Baptist. Anglican Baptisms.



George Thistle Gaden Merchant of St Johns Newfoundland married Johan

Bucan



Lightbody of Edinburgh

Glasgow Scotland 26 Sep. 1822 marriage took place in Scotland Youngest

daughter



of Buccleuch Lightbody.





(note Emma (Thistle) Gaden left her son Joseph Crawford Gaden

(also known as Garland Crawford Gaden) her

estate. Will dated 9. Sep.1841.)



Emma Thistle born abt.1768

died age 84 13 Oct. 1852 . Burial in family vault. Funeral

Sunday the 17th on the north side of the main church entrance

ST. Paul's Harbour Grace.



Thomas Pynn Thistle: Bapt. 26 Aug. 1779 d. 9 Mar.1812

married Mary Journeaux Daughter b. 1776 d. 25 Feb. 1850of James Juer and

Elizabeth



Thomas Pynn Thistle: bapt. 26 Aug. 1779 ( note Thomas may of been baptized

as a



young Boy?) Mary Journeaux: b.abt 1776



Children of:

Mary Thistle born 14 May 1805 bapt.20 Jun.1811

Harbour Grace Anglican Church.



Thomas Thistle Jr. Late of Harbour Grace , Merchant deceased 9 Mar.1812

Mary Thistle widow of Thomas Thistle married Joseph Innott.



Mary Thistle died 25 Feb.1850 age 74 yr.of Harbour Grace.

27 Feb.1850 Paper Date (Weekly Harold Conception Bay Advertiser and was

interned

in a private cemetery belonging to her former Husband the late Thomas

Thistle Esq.

Merchant of this place.



Mary Thistle:(Widow) of Thomas Thistle

of Harbour Grace married Joseph Innott of this Parish 28 Jun.1817

wit:Mary Knight

Matt'w Kearney, Mary Parsons,and John Hillyard. Harbour Grace St Paul's

Marr.

Joseph R. Innott Head Stone's St Paul's Harbour Grace. Died 20 Nov.1832

age 47 yr.



(note: 1800 Journeaux , who's extensive properties came under the control

of his son

in-law's Dr Mayne; Nicholas Payne, THOMAS THISTLE, and Jewer . (alt. Jure,

Gore,



Juer ) whose property was to be sub divided and sold by James Bailey who

married



one of the Jewer daughters.)



Jane Thistle married John Hillyard:

children Of:



Thomas Hillyard: b. 8 May 1804.. bapt:30 Dec.1804

Congregational Church St. Johns Vital Stats Vol.23



Samuel Hillyard:b. 8 Apr.1806 ..bapt. 8 Jun.1806

Congregational Church. St. Johns Vital Stats. Vol.23



Alfred Wilson bach of St Johns married Jane Thistle Hillyard spin most

likely

the daughter of John Hillyard and Jane Thistle ? of St Johns. wit: Ann

Sarah Beverly ,

John Shea Vital Stats. Volume 26-E Cathedral of St. Johns The Baptist St.

Johns



Anglican Cathedral.



Rachel Thistle: married Peter McKie Esq.

Peter McKie deceased. mentioned in his will

that Rachel was the daughter of Thomas and Amy Thistle.

Will dated 2 Apr.1836 ( Peter McKie Surveyor of His Majesty's Customs at

St Johns.)



Rachael Mckie: had recorded a Will in Canterbury England in the year 13

Jan.1845



Children of Peter Mckie and Rachel Thistle



Maria Thistle Mckie: bapt. 14 Jan 1787

Louisa McKie: 2 May 1790 .

both Cathedral of St Johns The Baptist Anglican



Rachel Mckie: b.27 Oct.1801 bapt. 2 Nov.1801

Congregational Church St.John's Vital Stats. Vol 23 Bapts.



(note in Peter Mckie's will he lists some of his children daughter's

Rachel Turbot,

Caroline Langarne, Agnes O'Farrel, and Elizabeth Bullock and his son John

Livingston McKie was educated as a Surgeon).



1821 St. Johns Thomas Greensill? LANGHORNE, bach, clergyman, Twillingate



Caroline McKie, spin, St Johns Julia Williams, Susanna Warne.



NOTES:



It is interesting to me how Historian's can error and through out time it

is passed down

through the generation's as a fact. Then copied by other expert's. Take

the case of

Amy Thistle of Harbour Grace.



Most Historian's claim Amy Thistle and her family lived in Harbour Grace

for 102 years.

This statement was made in the year 1765 from the from a quote by her about

her

property when a census was taken by the British Admiralty in a survey for

fishing

rooms Harbour Grace. Then they go to say that would of put the Thistle

families in

Harbour Grace about the year 1663.



Now I do not doubt the fact that statement was made by Amy Thistle and I'm

sure that

she was correct in that mater. But she was not talking about the Thistle

families of

Harbour Grace. She was talking about her family the Pynn's. Though I also

know The

Thistle families were there too. I'm not sure if they were there as long or

longer then

the Pynn families but they lived next door to each other and held the best

location

dead center in the Harbour with a source of fresh water running through the

property

and this location would of gone to the very first settlers. I could punch

holes through

out the document and some it is correct but there are many error's and

they get

quoted and passed down by other experts on the Surname Thistle in

Newfoundland.



Amy Thistle undoubtedly took a leading part in the town, and is

often named. She had property just East of the R. C. Chapel granted to

her by Governor Byron in 1770. ( Bonnie Hickey Harbour Grace, NF

NFGenWeb Conception Bay North )





The Thistle family are real Jersey descendants, and they must

have owned the half of Harbour Grace at one time. This name can be

traced back to the Norsemen before the time of the Norman conquest, but

is sometimes spelt Thessell, which gives it a French pronunciation.

(Harbour Grace, NF

NFGenWeb Conception Bay North Bonnie HIckey )



In 1805, Thomas Thistle, in a petition to Governor Erasmus Gower,

complained that his

neighbor, Pynn was encroaching upon his property. The Governor ordered

Magistrate

Charles Garland to rectify the matter, and Pynn was ordered to allow room

for vessels

to unload to unload at Thistle's wharf; Garland further ordered that

Thistle had to have

an outlet onto the main path (later Water Street).



In a will left by Mary Stretten 1825 and died 18 Jan.1831 Bequeathed her

Plantation

in Harbour Grace to Rachel Mckie wife of Peter McKie Esq. St Johns. The

Placation

was next to the old Meeting House.



The Division of Thomas Thistle Estate of Harbour Grace .Dated 5 Sep.1818

Thomas

Thistle left his surviving heirs 4 Large Lots of Land To his remaining

Children.

Rachel Thistle Mckie, Emma Thistle Gaden Catherine Thistle Gaden.

( deceased) to her heirs. Jane Thistle Hillyard. (deceased) to her heirs.



Thomas Thistle of Harbour Grace in 1818 a dispute over the Estate of

Thomas Thistle

the Supreme Court carefully insured the use of the their father's

Property was passed

on to the Thistle's four daughters but through the ownership of their

husbands the

reference to this case names: Emma Gaden, George Bayley and Charles Wm.

Beverly.

vs. the administrator of Thomas Thistle Estate.



(note Thomas Thistle merchant & Amy Thistle of Harbour Grace owned

substantial

holding of land in Harbour Grace and St Johns. It was noted by Amy

Thistle that her

father in-law bequeathed her in his Will land in 1750 Harbour Grace.)



In a Letter From Munn. Thomas Thistle and Enima Thistle both sold land in

1800

2 large properties in Harbour Grace.



Enima Thistle:1806 advertisement of Enima Thistle of Harbour Grace

offering 2 Large

plantations for sale with wharves, stores and counting houses as well as

good

residences.



(note Amy Thistle in 1805 Plantation records state in her father in-law’s

will 1750

bequeathed her 8 Houses a Sundry 1 Store 1 wharf 3 Gardens 2 Flakes 1

Stage.)



In A letter dated 1795 that Mr. Thistle( Warden of the Church) at Harbour

Grace and

Carbonear open the Church for Mr. Smith of Poole England. From The Church

of

England Archives.



In 1811 Amy Thistle: 23 acre's of land was transferred to Dr. Sterling.

Dr. Sterling sold

the land to sold to Rev. Dalton. Charles Dalton later he willed the land

to the Nuns in

Harbour Grace for their Convent in 1858.



An excerpt from "The Daily News" of 13 Feb 1925, page 10:

NAMES CUT ON GLASS



Dear Sir, -Thanking you for the picture of the pane of glass in Stretton

House, Harbour

Grace, on which Mr .HORESBY cut his name with a diamond,on May 26th, 1797.

I



notice

another name cut above his viz., Henry JUER. There is no date to this but

twenty years

ago, when I was on a visit to Harbor Grace, I thought of the old

churchyard, to the right

going up Walsh's Lane, and immediately in the rear of the Anglo American

Telegraph

Office, where I spent my early days. I started deciphering the

inscriptions on the old

tombstones (five or six in number), and found that the greater number were

erected to

the THISTLE family - a very old family in Harbor Grace, who were owners of

much land

in the center of the town, between the PYNN's estate and Harvey Street.

It is very

probable that they owned land in other parts of the town also. The

THISTLE family

presented the land, which was used for many years, as the Catholic

cemetery, and

many of the best known people in the town were interred there, notably,

Peter



BROWN,

the merchant, John and James FOX, (grandfather and granduncle of our

genial friend,

Mr. John FOX, H.M.C.), FOLEY the merchant, and, above all, the first

martyred priest in

Newfoundland, Rev. Patrick PHELAN, who lost his life at Grate's Cove

Point, on the 3rd

of September, 1797. He was a powerful swimmer, and dived several times

among the

breakers in his endeavors to save the lives of the boat's crew, but was

unsuccessful,

and lost his own life. Several days after, the body of the saintly priest

was found floating

upright in the middle of Conception Bay, with his breviary under his arm.

The body was

recovered by a man named SNELGROVE, and was interred in a vault in the old

cemetery. I have a copy of the epitaph, which, I should say, is now

entirely obliterated

by the ravages of Time. But to come back to the JUER family. Among the

tombstones

in the old churchyard behind the Anglo-Telegraph Office, is one very large

one to

James JUER, who died in 1754. I am almost certain that this James JUER

was a Jersey

man, and he was a physician by profession. The Henry JUER,scratched on

the window

glass, was probably a son of the above. There is also one to Dr. MORE.

On the

fly-sheet you sent me, it is stated that the pane of glass with the ancient

signature has

been preserved and is now for the first time given to the public.

Probably it was the

STRETTON or PARSONS' family who preserved it, as the first Methodist Church

was

started on or near their property. Historic Stretton Hill is called after

Mr. STRETTON,

and there was also a Mr. Stretton PARSONS, but Mr. A. A. PARSONS, Governor

of H. M.

Penitentiary, knows more about them than I do, I should say. I agitated

about the little

cemetery in Walsh's Lane, being neglected, about 15 or 16 years ago, and my

old

friend, the late R. D. Mc RAE, had a fence placed round it. I don't know if

the fence is

there now, but I am sure that I have only to mention it to have our

enterprising young

friends, John and Frank Mc RAE, for them to do so, because in that sacred

spot lies the

bones of their ancestors of the THISTLE family of Jersey; one of the

daughters married

Mr. John HIGGINS, the first of that family in Harbor Grace, and a rattling

Irishman he

was, as I have heard in my young days.



Yours truly,



H.F. SHORTIS

St. John's, Feby.12th





excerpt re Harbour Grace, Newfoundland

History (1936) - specifically mentioning Jersey men. In the article

there is mention of "two private Jersey burial grounds. Tombstones of the

THISTLE

family dating back to 1760 are still able to be seen in the Plot off

Thompson's

Lane" "Dr John Moore, a Jersey man, was buried there. He was a Doctor on a

warship, and Mr. John HIGGINS, the first of that family in Harbor Grace,

and a rattling



Irishman he was, as I have heard in my young days. married into the THISTLE

family



and settled at Harbour

Grace."



use this one Kevin.....



This file is for the use of Kevin Thistle he may copy and use this for the

purpose of his research and can re print it as he see's fit ....Gary

Thistle.....



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